De Schelde unknown bomber

Hi,

can anyone ID this De Schelde bomber project ?.

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps8bfc6574.jpg

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/z...psb1ed17d3.jpg

Dit project heeft wel heel veel kenmerken van de Pander Postjager. De cockpitbeglazing en de staartvlakken zijn vrijwel identiek van vorm.
This project has a lot of characteristics of the Pander Postjager. Cockpitglazing and tailplanes are almost the same shape.

Klopt, Pander was overgenomen door De Schelde. Kan het de S.19 zijn? Heb geen idee hoe die eruit zag.

Edit: blijkbaar had de S.19 twee staartbomen, dus die is het niet.

Hi,

I suggest it was taken any designation between S.15 to S.18.

Look at the engine cowling: maybe I have to get another pair of eyes, but on that cowling is written De Schelde II. Schelde, "S", II=11 means Schelde S.11. The Dutch LVA want only planes with Rolls Royce Kestrel engines, so this model can be projected between 1933 and 1935. The Schelde S.12 is from March 1935. Nice photographs!!

I think you get it LVA-40,

may be that is right.

Maybe, if you can publish the same photographs in a bigger format, we can discuss about it. Maybe it is really "II", so the Schelde S.2. And that means that this will be the Pander S.4 Militair variant with other engines. I will have a look in the book about the Pander story, if that could be right.

Kind regards,
Jan G

But LVA-40;

the S.2 was a four engined pusher aircraft,as I know,anyway
check from it.

here was also an older discussion about De Schelde designations

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/foru...p?topic=5280.0

Yes Eric,

but I agree with LVA-40 about,may be this aircraft was S.11.

If we take the Roman numbers on the engine cowlings
for an indication of the type ,than it should be '2' I think.
Type 11 in Roman numbers is XI

Yes, Roman numbers is indeed S.2, if Arabic, S.11.
Question is, what kind of type is this? In 1937 the Dutch LVA ordered 36 Fokker G-1. Before the signing of the contract, also De Schelde and Koolhoven where asked to deliver a batch of planes of this cruiser concept. The project of Koolhoven is known, also the different projects of Fokker, but the De Schelde design wasn't known. But I think this will be the De Schelde variant of the Fokker G-1.. See also the Fokker G-1 book, volume 1, pages 257 and on.

De twee geplaatste foto's komen ook voor in deel 7 van Hugo Hooftman's "Nederlandse Vliegtuig Encyclopedie" genaamd "Scheldemusch en Scheldemeeuw - Alle vliegtuigen gebouwd door 'De Schelde'" (blz. 112). Daar staat ook nog een derde foto, schuin van achteren.
Typenummer niet vermeld.
Er staat nog dat deze foto's dateren van 5 februari 1939 (voor wat het waard is bij Hooftman!).

Ruud.

Hi,

with that evidence,the project appeared in 1939,may be this aircraft
was from De Schelde Jae designation,which used series 4000.

dat is project 1068

Citaat:

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Oberflugzeug de zwart

dat is project 1068

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Kan je de bron noemen waaruit je die informatie hebt gehaald?
Het projectnummer lijkt mij erg Koolhoviaans;)

1068 is het registratienummer volgens mij . Het zou eerder project 68 zijn , met als verzonnen registratie 1068

zie ook : http://www.nederlandseluchtvaart.nl/...4-de-pechjager

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door eric7325

1068 is het registratienummer volgens mij . Het zou eerder project 68 zijn , met als verzonnen registratie 1068

zie ook : http://www.nederlandseluchtvaart.nl/...4-de-pechjager

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Het nummer 1068 is inderdaad een verzonnen (militair) nummer, geen project of ontwerpnummer. Voor zover mij is bekend heeft De Schelde geen ontwerp- of projectnummers naar buiten gebracht. Koolhoven deed dat bijvoorbeeld wel, evenals Fokker. Werd het ontwerp gebouwd, dan kreeg het een type-aanduiding.

Maybe that's right,we want to check.

The similarity ?!.

Bijlage 35148

Bijlage 35149

Hi all, my few cents of wisdom on this:
- I think this was the Schelde contribution for the LVA request for the next Gen bomber in 1939. Fokker, De Schelde and Koolhoven all submitted proposals bu the Do215 was selected.
- Alternatively, it participated in the next Gen reconnaissance competition, against the Fokker Design 154, because to me it does not really look like a bomber; too thin, too small.

- At this time the LVA seems to have had a preference for the DB601A engine, that was also used by the Do215 and the Fokker Design 154/G-2/C-16/CG-2. The engine omn the picture very much looks like the DB601A.

Sorry, pushed send too quickly somehow.
Was saying that given its roots in the Pander Postjager a fast reconnaissance plane seems more fitting to this design.

The code 1086 seems to be purely artificial, no formal significance.

Cheers, Pieter

Hi Pieter H,

I think it was real design,1086.

Yes the internal project code was 1086, which was then used as a fictitious registration.
What I meant is that the code 1086 is not an official LVA code, and from that perspective has no meaning.

Cheers, Pieter

I meant 1068,and not 1086.